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TheSuperIncrediblePreAgentTester *DISCUSSION* Thread

Post by rainbowsheeps » May 16th, 2010, 7:44 pm

I'm making this topic so there's a place to discuss responses from the Tester thread. The second thread is necessary so that side conversations aren't started and clutter up the thread.

Also, this topic can be used to discuss any suggestions or criticisms you might have about the tester thread. For instance, if you feel a change of rules is in order, feel free to share.

I personally want to thank FK7, KristaG, Yoshima, luner, Steppe and Quill. :)

To Steppe:
Steppe wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erich_Fromm

The Art of Loving - Eric Fromm
The Art of Loving is a book written by psychologist and social philosopher Erich Fromm (1900-1980) and published in 1956 by Harper & Row. This international bestseller recapitulated and complemented the theoretical principles of human nature found in Fromm's Escape from Freedom and Man for Himself - principles which were revisited in many of his other major works.

Fromm presents love as a skill that can be taught and developed. He rejects the idea of loving as something magical and mysterious that cannot be analyzed and explained, and is therefore skeptical about popular ideas such as "falling in love" or being helpless in the face of love. Because modern humans are alienated from each other and from nature, we seek refuge from our aloneness in romantic love and marriage (pp. 79-81). However, Fromm observes that real love "is not a sentiment which can be easily indulged in by anyone." It is only through developing one's total personality to the capacity of loving one's neighbor with "true humility, courage, faith and discipline" that one attains the capacity to experience real love. This should be considered a rare achievement (p. vii).

We are starved for love, yet all our attempts to attain love in Western society are bound to fail, unless - like any thing else we want to do well - we practice and improve our self discipline, concentration and patience, and place high priority on our mastery of the art of loving (pp. 99-123). Readers will be disappointed if they expect the kind of easy answers and techniques often presented in self-help psychology bestsellers. Perhaps the closest that the book comes to such a recipe is the idea that the active character of true love involves four basic elements: care, responsibility, respect, and knowledge (p. 24). Each of these is difficult to define and can differ markedly depending on the people involved and their circumstances. Seen in these terms, love is hard work, but it is also the most rewarding kind of work.

One of the most interesting concepts in the book is self-love. According to Fromm, loving oneself is quite different from being arrogant, conceited or egocentric. Loving oneself means caring about oneself, taking responsibility for oneself, respecting oneself, and knowing oneself (e.g. being realistic and honest about one's strengths and weaknesses). In order to be able to truly love another person, one needs first to love oneself in this way. Fromm is sceptical of exclusive love, which he calls "egoisme a deux" - a relationship in which each person is entirely focussed on the other, to the detriment of other people around them. In a healthy marriage, faithfulness applies to sex, but not to Fromm's concept of love, because love means a generally caring, responsible, respectful and honest attitude toward all other people.

The book includes explorations of the theories of brotherly love, motherly love, erotic love, self-love, and the love of God (pp. 7-76), and an insightful examination into love's disintegration in contemporary Western culture (pp. 77-98). To understand Fromm's idea of love, it helps to have basic knowledge´of academic disciplines such as psychology, sociology and religious studies.
I haven't read this book, but this theory is familiar to me, actually. I'm a psychology student myself. It's an excellent guess on your part about what the book might deal with. I'm impressed. It does deal a little with the theory as described here, but mostly about the need to respect and love yourself before you can carry out healthy relationships with others. The character, hopefully, illustrates that with his change from the start of the story to the end.

I think I'll have to read this. Thanks for bringing it to my attention.

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Re: TheSuperIncrediblePreAgentTester *DISCUSSION* Thread

Post by FK7 » May 17th, 2010, 2:40 pm

I think you had a great idea rainbow, I'll be keeping an eye on your threads! :)

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