Lost - Possible Spoilers!

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Re: Lost - Possible Spoilers!

Post by Steppe » May 25th, 2010, 4:08 am

Various sources go into how the show started as a "Lieber" construct with a heavily influenced
LORD OF THE FLYS theme which quickly was adapted by Abrams causing arbitration and then
the two guys always seen discussing the show take over.
One way or another some sort of science explanation should have been at least speculated upon.
A couple of helper narrators during the last five episodes.

The only clue I get was the double entendre's between Eloise and Desmond.

I asked you to stop all this
I chose to ignore you
Are you going to take my son
He's not/knot with us... No. (holding hand as if comforting an aggrieved)

Plus Hurley and Ben's Pitter Patter about one and two.

The double meaning with Elois is that Daniel's real purpose
was as a time editor; someone who could travel backwards
and over write events, using a device as a fuzzy logic... yes / maybe yes / maybe no / no

Core Log Quadratics

I AM Not Ready To Be Alone
I AM Knot Ready To Be Alone
I AM Not Ready To Be A Loan
I AM Knot Ready To Be A Loan

A way of slowing down being unceremoniously ejected
instantly from Q-thought space beyond the finite realms for
not introducing novelty.

All the characters had a real bag on for cheesy overkill
on certain phraseology but I'd need one of those high
powered pop culture top secret magic decoder rings.
The costumers use of color was helpful at times because
they seemed to stick to a five color prime vs. a seven color prime.
the additional two elements being added by the various magor incidents.

1 nuke
1 system turn-key deactivation
2 donkey wheel turns
1 unplug of source inlet/outlet
1 replug of source inlet/outlet

Hollywood always goes for the smarmy family ending
so any dissonance they inject would be in there covertly.
For me it was Desmond running people over and throwing beatings
around like a third rate gangster looking out for his family interests.

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Re: Lost - Possible Spoilers!

Post by Mira » May 25th, 2010, 10:35 am

Josin and FK7 - thanks for answering. I've been wondering! :)

Sounds like it was emotionally satisfying, but not intellectually satisfying (?) Maybe just knowing that they are all dead takes the sting out of all the characters who died - that might be part of it (?)

I think I'd feel the same way as you, FK7. I like writing that knows where it's going. But I do give Lost credit for telling a darn good story, even if the ending didn't quite measure up - intellectually that is. :)

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Re: Lost - Possible Spoilers!

Post by E McD » May 25th, 2010, 5:49 pm

In the event that you still have questions, you are not alone!!!

http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1936291

LOL
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Re: Lost - Possible Spoilers!

Post by Nathan Bransford » May 25th, 2010, 5:57 pm

E McD wrote:In the event that you still have questions, you are not alone!!!

http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1936291

LOL
Haha... amazing.

WHY WAS WALT WET???

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Post by Josin » May 25th, 2010, 6:55 pm

Nathan Bransford wrote:
E McD wrote:In the event that you still have questions, you are not alone!!!

http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1936291

LOL
Haha... amazing.

WHY WAS WALT WET???

That one's pretty easy to me. Walt died on the raft/boat, even it was just for a moment (people drown for a few seconds all the time). Being dead gave Smokey "permission" to clone him. The first time he did it, he was cloning Walt as he looked dead, which was water logged. The 2nd time, when he approached Locke, he'd had time to work out the kinks in the apparition.

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Re: Lost - Possible Spoilers!

Post by Nathan Bransford » May 25th, 2010, 8:50 pm

Josin wrote:
Nathan Bransford wrote:
E McD wrote:In the event that you still have questions, you are not alone!!!

http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1936291

LOL
Haha... amazing.

WHY WAS WALT WET???

That one's pretty easy to me. Walt died on the raft/boat, even it was just for a moment (people drown for a few seconds all the time). Being dead gave Smokey "permission" to clone him. The first time he did it, he was cloning Walt as he looked dead, which was water logged. The 2nd time, when he approached Locke, he'd had time to work out the kinks in the apparition.
But wait, if he died on the raft how did Locke go and visit him post-Oceanic Six? And in the died-only-temporarily scenario, didn't MIB need an actual body?

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Re: Lost - Possible Spoilers!

Post by Josin » May 25th, 2010, 9:18 pm

Nathan Bransford wrote:
That one's pretty easy to me. Walt died on the raft/boat, even it was just for a moment (people drown for a few seconds all the time). Being dead gave Smokey "permission" to clone him. The first time he did it, he was cloning Walt as he looked dead, which was water logged. The 2nd time, when he approached Locke, he'd had time to work out the kinks in the apparition.

But wait, if he died on the raft how did Locke go and visit him post-Oceanic Six? And in the died-only-temporarily scenario, didn't MIB need an actual body?
Not in my justification universe he didn't. It's the same thing I use to justify why Richard looked so funky the first time Ben saw him. He was in the gut of that ship for 6 days without food or water, so IMO he died just before MiB touched him. MiB cloned Richard to gain Ben's trust where the Others were concerned because he needed Ben to join them to pull off his Jacob coup. I also think Ben's Mom was no more Mom than Isabella was Isabella in the ship. It was another Smokey clone.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
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Re: Lost - Possible Spoilers!

Post by Nathan Bransford » May 25th, 2010, 10:27 pm

Josin wrote:
Not in my justification universe he didn't. It's the same thing I use to justify why Richard looked so funky the first time Ben saw him. He was in the gut of that ship for 6 days without food or water, so IMO he died just before MiB touched him. MiB cloned Richard to gain Ben's trust where the Others were concerned because he needed Ben to join them to pull off his Jacob coup. I also think Ben's Mom was no more Mom than Isabella was Isabella in the ship. It was another Smokey clone.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
Ha--fair enough!

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Re: Lost - Possible Spoilers!

Post by SXBrase » May 26th, 2010, 11:09 am

Josin wrote:
Nathan Bransford wrote:
E McD wrote:In the event that you still have questions, you are not alone!!!

http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1936291

LOL
Haha... amazing.

WHY WAS WALT WET???

That one's pretty easy to me. Walt died on the raft/boat, even it was just for a moment (people drown for a few seconds all the time). Being dead gave Smokey "permission" to clone him. The first time he did it, he was cloning Walt as he looked dead, which was water logged. The 2nd time, when he approached Locke, he'd had time to work out the kinks in the apparition.
Not to begin more arguments on the Internet, but....

Walt appears more than this. He appears in "Three Minutes," when he and his father have a brief reunion in the Others' fake camp. He also appears in the Season 2 finale, sailing away with his father in the boat provided by Ben because Michael achieved his goal of turning over Jack, Kate, Hurley, and Sawyer. His appearance in "Three Minutes" convinces me that he isn't dead (and thus legitimizes his nice run-in with Locke in season 5).

How then to explain his appearances to Shannon?

Ms. Klugh asks: "Has Walt ever been somewhere he wasn't meant to be?" Walt is certainly special, in the Lost sense. Hurley can see dead people, Miles can interact with ghosts, and I believe Walt can project himself. He's not very good at it yet, which is why he speaks in apparent gibberish and is soaking wet. Or perhaps he was wet at the time, for whatever reason. I think it's very much apparent he's not Smokey in this instance, because in his last appearance, he gives Shannon and Sayid the "Shhh" motion. He was telling them to shut up, he was trying to help. But Shannon runs after him screaming and gets herself shot. You get what you pay for.

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Re: Lost - Possible Spoilers!

Post by Steppe » May 26th, 2010, 3:23 pm

A lot of it goes to insider knowledge.
The Others remembered all the trips into the past because they were there.
They knew that to avoid a loop effect the same people had to go backwards
as they collectively remembered. Walt and Micheal were not in the past
they had to be off the Island before Desmond throws the Purple Haze party.
I'm still re-watching that bit to see if it all adds up.
But they went to a lot of trouble to set up a scenario to ditch Walt and Michael.

Ben also starts to gain inside knowledge early on because he also jumps forward
to about 15 months to 2005 while everyone is in late 2004.
Deep down inside the island it does seem the light and the smoke are using
everyone and everything as pawns in their battle for supremacy.

Jacob and MIB only believed they were originating their thoughts when
they were just as susceptible as all the other cult like believers in the island.

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Re: Lost - Possible Spoilers!

Post by Josin » May 26th, 2010, 9:04 pm

There was a scene with Walt and the others (an outtake, I think) where Ben's talking to Michael about taking Walt back and he says something to the effect of: "He was too much for us, anyway."

If the kid hadn't had that monster growth spurt (darn that pesky puberty!) Walt would have probably featured more prominently in the series for a few more seasons.

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Re: Lost - Possible Spoilers!

Post by Josin » May 27th, 2010, 6:27 am

Ha! I saw this posted somewhere else and snagged it.

LOST: Alternate Ending...... "IT COULD HAVE BEEN WORSE"


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Re: Lost - Possible Spoilers!

Post by SXBrase » May 27th, 2010, 9:34 am

I saw that too! It's hilarious.

Also, kids, there's this: http://darkufo.blogspot.com/2010/05/sea ... f-ben.html

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Re: Lost - Possible Spoilers!

Post by Robin » May 27th, 2010, 10:27 am

Wow! 14-16 extra minutes?!?! Can't wait.

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Re: Lost - Possible Spoilers!

Post by smartins11 » May 28th, 2010, 7:13 pm

I found what I think is a pretty good explanation of Lost (and its finale) here:

http://forum.lostpedia.com/someone-bad- ... 360bee5e42&

It's written by someone who worked for Bad Robot up until about 3 years ago, for what that's worth. Just seems like an intelligent read.

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